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and shine a light on the conspiracies to

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hi everybody welcome to the show we've

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got a great one planned for you tonight

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just a couple of little announcements up

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front before we get right into the heart

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of the matter

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hearing more about what we've got coming

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site i also want to remind you guys that

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we still have that upcoming trip to

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france in may

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uh it will be the week of may the 10th

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we are keeping the group relatively

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small

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and so it should be a lot of fun and of

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course we'll be with the inimitable

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mr henry lincoln who's the grand master

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of the whole da vinci code mystery

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and holy blood holy grail mystery down

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in that region as well as a best-selling

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author tim wallace murphy who's an

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expert in the history of that area as

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well as uh that especially the knights

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templar the encoding of renaissance

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paintings and that sort of thing and

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tentatively we have joining us gloria

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amendola who a lot of you guys that

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listen to this show and others know uh

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of gloria

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she is an author a teacher

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and an intuitive and she does a lot of

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work in the area of the the studies of

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mary magdalene which of course are very

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rich in that area

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and then also joining us this year will

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be gary evans he's i like to call him

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the human dowser because he seems to

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have a special connection with different

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energies of locations that comes in

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really handy uh when we're at these

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particular sites so i hope you'll um

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consider joining us if you're feeling

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the the call because it it it absolutely

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is a call i believe this area and like i

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always warn everyone be careful because

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once you go there you will go back i

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guarantee you i've been back so many

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times now over the past oh gosh

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15 years i guess by now

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that i don't even i've lost count but

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it's a wonderful place and we hope that

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you'll join us for all the history the

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mystery and

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the magical area the energies of the

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waters it's known for its uh healing

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waters the

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you know the spa towns that have been

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there for centuries in fact there's a

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roman bath that is still

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uh in effect and still uh operational in

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the village of renla ban where we'll

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most likely be staying at maison

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let me know i'll either give you a call

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send you the information but anyhow get

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in touch with me because we'd love to

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have you along if you're feeling the

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all right without any further delay i

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want to get into tonight's show and i

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have to say it's it's an amazing story i

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was thinking about it earlier

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uh and i was thinking about how uh in

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the i was thinking about the year 1970 i

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was thinking about everything that was

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going on that year it was it was a big

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to go on on the vietnam war but that was

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the same year that you know the chicago

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inciting a riot it was also uh

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debut of mary tyler moore

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janice joplin and jimi hendrix so

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present tonight's story

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of a young couple in 1970 who were

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eagerly moving into the first home that

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and the ensuing events

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so tonight i'd like to welcome edwin

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becker hi edwin

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good evening and marcia becker hi there

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thanks so much for agreeing to to share

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your story uh it i

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was just telling you off the air that i

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watched the episode of

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of a paranormal witness in which they

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featured your story and it was um very

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intriguing very well done piece by the

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way and i it really was yes i'd

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recommend people to watch that i'm sure

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it's on youtube but i know edwin you

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have it on your facebook page that's

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edwin f becker on facebook

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uh nope just edwin oh yeah yeah you're

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www.edwinbecker.com yep that's what i

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was just getting ready to say and also

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truehaunting.com so those are the sites

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that you might want to be kind of

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looking at as we're as we're going along

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chat roomies and we have a good time in

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there so please join us it's a very

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active room and people really uh get

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involved in the guests

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you um

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so the year was 1970

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we're just getting ready to have your

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first baby and you realized you had to

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move out of the place where you were so

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it was kind of a a rush thing that you

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had to do it's kind of an emergency

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in the united 1970 it might as well been

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legally in fact but in those years a

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landlord could just say no i don't want

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any children and you're out get out

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exactly or i don't want any dogs or pets

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and that's basically what happened to us

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free we never had a problem

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and now all of a sudden none of the

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areas that we considered nicer in

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chicago were available to us

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and i had to start looking in the inner

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city and there were some areas i didn't

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and eventually i tripped over what was

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called an air estate in its day i don't

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know if they do that still today

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but it simply meant that someone had

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died and they were liquidating the

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building

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which in chicago

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you know it's not unusual number one

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people who you know people die in these

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buildings this neighborhood happened to

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be built in around the 1890s

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so i mean who didn't die in one of these

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when they held they held funerals in the

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front rooms for crouch's sake and when

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you saw that it was an air estate did

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that kind of pique your interest because

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are those usually you you know like the

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young families are usually able to get

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good deals

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uh that that's the only thing properties

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yeah right that was the only thing that

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peaked my interest was the fact that

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maybe they'd want to maybe the heirs

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would want to unload it quickly and i

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could get myself

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we didn't have a lot of money

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there were very few

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avenues for loans uh you if you're a

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veteran i think veterans loans just

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started to come out

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you had uh i didn't know anything about

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all there was was conventional which was

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20 down which we did not have

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there was very it was very popular to

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buy on contract and i thought maybe i

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could swing that kind of a deal

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so i want to look at this house and i

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went to but i'm by myself

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and in my book sometimes people write me

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and they get kind of upset because

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i kind of gloss over you know women's

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rights i try to tell everybody that

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women didn't have that many rights in

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the bank didn't need my wife's

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signature because of women's income

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didn't count

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you know that you were treated much

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so i went to look at this building and

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it was pretty much dilapidated i mean it

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was in in need of repair just about

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everywhere from tip to toe

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but that didn't bother me because i

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figured like i could uh

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work on it

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and and i mean work in capital letters

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because there were no home depots in

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those years

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you did everything singularly so i had

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i had to go to a hardware store i had to

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go to a plumbing store i had to go to a

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tile store et cetera

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uh and i i went through there and if you

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saw paranormal witness

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they did some accuracies they did some

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inaccuracies

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i just explained to a fella on google

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who saw the episode and he said

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you know ed said these words but they

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showed something in the back that wasn't

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his book

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and the way paranormal witness works is

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they interview you

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independently

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and then they place scenes behind you

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that you have no control over

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and that's so normal that it's not going

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to be absolutely true

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you know 100

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to the story i mean that's very

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you know very regular to happen in tv

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so i'm sure there probably were

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some differences uh you know what was it

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that the guy saw that uh

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that didn't that wasn't in the book

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i'm actually not sure but i i explained

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to him that they even took some of my

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sentences because of the way i speak

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in my cadence that they were able to

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take

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half of one sentence and have another

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put together

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you know which it was okay i mean

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i initially refused paranoid what

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happened was uh

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i wrote this book 30 years ago actually

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the framework for it

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and my family had read it and a lot of

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close friends had read it and they my

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daughter finally pushed me

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and said i want to publish it

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and i told her to publish it in her name

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her name is catherine higdon

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and i gave her i'm not a technological

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person so i gave her a flash drive with

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word on it and a

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mock-up on the cover

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and she published it as is with my name

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on it

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and i was actually angry

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uh

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my youngest daughter never listens to me

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my eldest daughter

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but i was angry until i found out hey

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this is number one on the best-seller

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list of parapsychology

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you know and then it went to number one

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on kindle and it went to number one in

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the uk

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and then paranormal witness who was

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located in london came after me

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and i know about entertainment i grew up

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in entertainment when i was a young man

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well so i knew their their job is to

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make good tv sure so i i turned them

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down

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oh at least i i at least

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angered at least three producers

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before the fourth came at me

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and promised me that he would try to

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stay close to the book

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and he pretty much did he he did he did

326
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as good a job as you could possibly do

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cramming two years into 64 minutes yeah

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and and the intro was correct when i

329
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first looked at that building

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myra the old woman was she was the last

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remaining

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heir of the family she was the last

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daughter now for those who didn't who

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didn't see uh the film

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you go and this is when you're just

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looking at the property right to buy it

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okay so you are going there i i'm

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assuming with the realtor right

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and you come up and and please say you

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know tell the listeners what happened

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because that was very weird

342
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well i was a young man and i was in

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experience of buying real estate

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and i was nervous i didn't even know you

345
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know the correct words

346
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unlike buying a car you know there were

347
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no tires to kick i didn't know what

348
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routine i'm supposed to go through

349
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actually

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uh so i walked in nervously with the

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realtor and we opened the outer door and

352
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it was a two-story building

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with the department upper and and one

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lower

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and i was told that one of the heirs

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still lived there or the daughter of the

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actual person who built the building

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and she came flying out and uh as i tell

359
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people when they laugh that woman that

360
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you saw if you saw a paranormal witness

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was huggable

362
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compared to the real myra oh my gosh oh

363
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she is yeah

364
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she came out she was she was filthy

365
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she had matted gray hair

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flying in all directions

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she had a little poodle cradled on her

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shoulder that

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you couldn't tell whether it was

370
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supposed to be gray or white

371
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and just it was biting at her hair

372
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and she came out with the foulest

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language

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i was shocked you know i was just sit

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back and uh i never heard a woman talk

376
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like that and then the real estate man

377
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met her with the same language

378
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and so i never heard anybody you know

379
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you're not supposed to yell at your

380
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elders especially a woman

381
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but they were just going face to face

382
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screaming at each other obscenities

383
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and she kept yelling we don't want you

384
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here we don't want you here

385
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and my immediate thought was to turn her

386
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little dog toto that she had on her

387
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shoulder

388
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you know

389
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i i didn't know any better and uh

390
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he pushed her back in the apartment and

391
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we proceeded up the stairs

392
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and it was a gloomy building i mean the

393
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electric had been turned off to the

394
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second floor but i was an inner city

395
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child and i grew up in a broken home

396
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and i had lived in some real

397
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dark places in my life i had also been

398
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in a

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institution the state actually took me

400
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away because my abusive father so i felt

401
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lots of feelings in my life and i didn't

402
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feel anything that uh frightened me

403
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actually

404
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uh except the place was demolished i

405
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mean when we got to the second floor it

406
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looked like

407
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it had been vandalized

408
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actually i mean stuffed furniture had

409
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been cut open

410
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and there was pots pans papers clothes

411
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all over the place

412
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uh

413
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the only thing i'm thinking is what's

414
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,560
marshall going to think because martial

415
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was brought up in a

416
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upper middle class

417
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telsa which was a quarter million people

418
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at the time and very very clean

419
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all flat single story and this is now

420
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now we're in an urban area multi-story

421
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buildings

422
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very close together uh

423
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racially mixed

424
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and um bringing her to this dump you

425
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:28,079
know it's humble

426
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but i'm thinking we can we can make it

427
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better and uh

428
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i wound up buying it and making an offer

429
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and he said yeah you can try to get it

430
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for five percent down

431
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and uh

432
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we made the deal and i went home and i

433
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:43,519
announced tomorrow that i bought this

434
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building

435
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and uh

436
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,560
you know i didn't

437
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i didn't ask the questions of uh how

438
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,279
many times has it been shown

439
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:55,839
how long has it been for sale

440
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:58,480
uh i had no i was just totally

441
00:17:02,389 --> 00:16:59,680
ignorant

442
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,399
now this building was was a

443
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it was a house that had been divided

444
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:06,480
into apartments is

445
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,760
or yeah it was a two-story building uh

446
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,280
two apartments

447
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,360
they were fairly well divided i mean

448
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,880
there were some strange things about it

449
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,559
that you know there were all the doors

450
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,880
were taken off the bedrooms

451
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,199
which i didn't understand

452
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:23,039
uh because we had a door in the pantry

453
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,559
we had a door in the bathroom there was

454
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:26,559
a front door back door

455
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,360
but and we had one closet door but

456
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:31,440
all the bedroom doors were gone on both

457
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floors which was kind of weird

458
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,559
but they were used to i guess going back

459
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:39,039
and forth it was originally

460
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a

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three sons

462
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:45,039
now when

463
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,480
now this family uh that owned this home

464
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,799
uh the old lady who came out to meet you

465
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,400
she was actually

466
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:54,320
like the last surviving member of that

467
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,440
family right

468
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:58,080
correct correct and uh

469
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,799
she was crazy as a loon so

470
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:02,480
the one thing i did in the contract it

471
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,480
was the smartest thing i did

472
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,480
uh which worked in our favor was i the

473
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only contingency i asked for

474
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,039
was that that she would be gone

475
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on the day of possession

476
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uh i wrote it strongly in there because

477
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i knew she would scare the hell out of

478
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and then when push came to shove what

479
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,160
happened was

480
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we had to pay off the hospital and uh

481
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i'm writing true haunting two which is

482
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going to be a companion book now that's

483
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sequel i hate sequels

484
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:37,280
uh but

485
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when marcia was in the hospital and she

486
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,480
had our baby one of the humorous things

487
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that i just sort of never thought of

488
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was i paid off the obstetrician

489
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in cash because we had no insurance

490
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and then when i went to after we had our

491
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baby in the hospital i called up to make

492
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reservation to pick her up

493
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and they told me i couldn't pick her up

494
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:56,880
they said you can't pick her up until

495
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,760
you pay the bill and fall

496
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and today in retrospect her and i were

497
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,200
wondering what the hell would have

498
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,559
happened

499
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:06,080
if i didn't have the money would she

500
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:07,440
still be there

501
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:08,640
you know

502
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:13,830
yeah but i i did have the money and i

503
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:16,480
went and picked her up and uh

504
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,320
i had to show her the building and uh

505
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she can tell you her thoughts better

506
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,720
than i can tell you because i walked

507
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,799
down here i walked on eggshells

508
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:28,799
i walked on eggshells i mean i drove to

509
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,160
the building

510
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,000
the most scenic route i could so she

511
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,240
didn't see the neighborhood deteriorate

512
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so much

513
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and uh

514
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,039
you know she she found it humorous that

515
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:41,280
i had a tiptoe past that front apartment

516
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,400
door

517
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,760
because i certainly didn't want myra

518
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:46,320
popping out you know my gosh

519
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,280
but

520
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:49,919
you know marsha saw the building and uh

521
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,760
as far as i might take at the time

522
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,679
it was first you know she put on her

523
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,840
best face and she kind of said it's

524
00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:00,080
nothing we can't fix you know other than

525
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:01,600
uh

526
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,840
you tell it march to the basement i mean

527
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,679
well the old

528
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,919
part the fact that the house was old

529
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,440
actually

530
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,440
was something i liked

531
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,919
i love old things

532
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:17,679
and i love fixing

533
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,039
up old things so that part to me was

534
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,360
great i wasn't didn't scare me at all

535
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,240
and i'm all for it

536
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:27,360
but

537
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:28,240
it

538
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:34,480
the worse i started to feel

539
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,000
and it just gave me a real creepy

540
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,559
feeling in my stomach and i just didn't

541
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,280
even want to go in actually

542
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,120
but i did because i didn't want ed to

543
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,120
feel bad

544
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,360
it's not like we had a lot of choices

545
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,840
right so it was more

546
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,360
you know

547
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,280
please help us find something type of

548
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,280
thing

549
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,600
however i managed to do that and i

550
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,440
managed to get upstairs and see the

551
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,720
place

552
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,720
but when ad

553
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,799
showed start to take me down and showed

554
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:08,720
me the basement where he was going to

555
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,600
put

556
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,760
the washer and dryer

557
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:14,000
because there were already hookups down

558
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:15,200
there

559
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,320
um he walked in

560
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,880
ready thinking okay this

561
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,559
you know it's a basement

562
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,200
and it's a creepy basement and i'm not

563
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,559
gonna you know he's thinking i'm not

564
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:28,400
gonna like it because of that i hate

565
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:32,640
spiders and you know things like that so

566
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,679
i'm still trying to be brave and i don't

567
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,760
want him to feel bad

568
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:40,400
i took one

569
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,520
foot

570
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,760
into the basement and backed right back

571
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,039
out

572
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,320
and i said to him i will never

573
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,799
come in this basement

574
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,440
there was something so

575
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,039
bad in there

576
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,840
and so evil in there i couldn't even

577
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,159
make myself walk through the door

578
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,760
and this was the very first time you

579
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,600
were in the house yes first the first

580
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:06,240
time i saw the house i didn't understand

581
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,360
it i i

582
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,679
the basement the house itself was built

583
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,360
on ground level

584
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:13,039
and then it was lifted up on cinder

585
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,320
blocks

586
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,559
and then sometime after that they dug

587
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,480
out a basement and uh

588
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,720
the basement was built it was kind of it

589
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,080
was crude

590
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,360
concrete

591
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,720
and it was had a low ceiling so i'm 6'3

592
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,480
and if you could imagine me with cuban

593
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,880
heels on shoes i had more like six four

594
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,000
five

595
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,240
i had to always be ducking all the time

596
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,240
and in fact i still have probably a

597
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,919
couple scars in my head from hitting the

598
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,710
so that it was it was dark it was gloomy

599
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,200
it was filthy and i figured

600
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,720
basements aren't something you see in

601
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,799
tulsa a lot no

602
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,960
usually going under underground kind of

603
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,720
means that there's a tornado coming

604
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,159
that's right

605
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,799
that's a storm seller yeah

606
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,120
yeah that was kind of my take on it was

607
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,280
that she's not used to basements

608
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,840
it this is awfully ugly i i had been

609
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,919
uglier basements in my life

610
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,679
uh you know i mean at least there were

611
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,440
no rats down there there was any i've

612
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,200
been in basements where you know in

613
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,600
chicago we got rats as big as possums

614
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,159
and uh oh my goodness except i don't

615
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,480
want to know about it

616
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,080
but i figured her take on it was that

617
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,080
you know whatever she wanted i i wanted

618
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,640
to do if she'd accept his property

619
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,159
because you know i wasn't sure whether

620
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:27,760
she'd look at it and say

621
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,029
but that wasn't her take

622
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,000
no so i i remedied that very easily by

623
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,320
running a gas line to the back porch

624
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,080
which was enclosed and i put a dryer out

625
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,559
there and i we bought a in those days

626
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,159
they had what was called it was made by

627
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:47,200
hoover

628
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,000
it was

629
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,320
a washer and ringer that you could put

630
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,679
on your sink

631
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,240
and a sink attachment and uh so

632
00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:55,520
she could do all her laundry in the

633
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,280
kitchen and then she could dry her stuff

634
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,520
on the enclosed back porch which was

635
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,240
off window lined and uh

636
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,000
she never had to go

637
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,320
no going down to the basement yeah

638
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,200
no there was i was never and i didn't

639
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,679
i was never going to that basement and i

640
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,760
did not go to that basement

641
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,080
i knew there was something in there i

642
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,159
didn't want to meet

643
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,679
now really

644
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,480
yeah

645
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,720
you were the one who started kind of

646
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,960
seeing things first because

647
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,640
you were in the house more you were

648
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,440
staying home you had a tiny baby oh yeah

649
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,840
so you were there while he was out at

650
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,120
work

651
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,840
and when you first started to see things

652
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,480
what was the first thing was it the

653
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,640
the dish the crystal dish that you set

654
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,720
down or was that just the first thing in

655
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,320
the in the show

656
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,000
no that was pretty much and not exactly

657
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,440
the way they did it

658
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,080
uh we were actually i was one of these

659
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,799
people that i wanted everything in place

660
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,880
and moved in in one day

661
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:57,919
so

662
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,279
wasn't that hard

663
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,159
but as the boys were bringing in boxes i

664
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,840
was unpacking

665
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,240
and putting stuff away i was like you

666
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,400
know going at warp speed

667
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,960
and trying i wanted to set this place up

668
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,919
so we could sit down for dinner and

669
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,400
start our life

670
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:20,880
so i reached in i pulled out my my

671
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,679
prized candy dish everybody knows about

672
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,760
me and my candy dish

673
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,240
and i set it in the middle of the coffee

674
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,240
table not the dining room table like

675
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,799
they had but the coffee table

676
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,760
and i turned around and reached in and

677
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,760
there was a matching ashtray that came

678
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,440
with it of course in those days

679
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,520
everybody smoked that's right everyone

680
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,440
had ashtray sitting around their houses

681
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,039
yeah yep so i reached in them and

682
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,000
and i turned around and the candy dish

683
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,640
was on the edge

684
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,120
and i thought no i put that number i'm

685
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,039
too careful with this thing

686
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,400
it's crystal it's you know my only real

687
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:02,000
price position

688
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,039
and i'm

689
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,360
you know very careful with it so i put

690
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,640
it back

691
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,600
and laid down the ashtray and reached in

692
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,080
the box for whatever else was in there

693
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,200
unpacking it turn around again the candy

694
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,000
dish was on the edge

695
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,720
and i thought i'm losing it

696
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:22,960
well eventually i told adam and i said

697
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,240
oh you know you wax things too much and

698
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,640
maybe the floor is not even because it's

699
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,880
an old house

700
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,400
and so we're thinking the thing is

701
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,600
sliding

702
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,320
so i my grandmother had sent some

703
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,520
handmade

704
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,000
doilies that she had made

705
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,720
um as a wedding present i really had

706
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,240
never lived in a place where i could

707
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,159
display them and i oh we have the door

708
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,640
lease so i went and i pulled them out

709
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,640
put one on the

710
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,840
table put the candy dish on the doily

711
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,880
thought now i can't move

712
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:57,679
and

713
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,240
was on the edge

714
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
was the doily on the edge too i don't

715
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,400
know why i'm even asking you no no i

716
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,000
understand that because it would make

717
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,320
sense if the whole thing moved yeah i

718
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,720
wished it had because at least i could

719
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,320
have still thought

720
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,799
it the you know the floor isn't even

721
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,200
so everything's sliding but no it was

722
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,880
just a candy dish

723
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,679
not the ashtray not the doily just the

724
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,799
candy dish because it knew i mean later

725
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,480
we figured all this out

726
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,960
but they know what's important to you

727
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,279
they know what's going to scare you they

728
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,360
know your fears

729
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,520
those are the kind of things they do to

730
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,200
mess with you

731
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,120
they didn't mess with me uh initially

732
00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,559
i was a true

733
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,400
besides being a creature of logic which

734
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,960
i still am today i don't believe in

735
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,279
coincidence i believe everything adds up

736
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,679
and makes sense in some way

737
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,720
but i was a non-believer and

738
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,440
so i rationalized for a long time i

739
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,679
rationalized everything

740
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,720
and then what what spirits do

741
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,799
you know for those out there listening

742
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,240
if you're if you think you're going to

743
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,480
be subject of a haunting or if you if

744
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,240
you're an investigator

745
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,880
uh what spirits do is they don't pop out

746
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,000
at you like you like in the movies that

747
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,080
they don't if they did that it would

748
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,440
scare them it would have scared the hell

749
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:23,360
out of us and we would have been gone

750
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,320
all right

751
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,520
what they do is they start to

752
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,000
work on you emotionally and energy-wise

753
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,880
that they definitely i mean i was on a

754
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,279
program recently with some investigators

755
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,000
that take people on haunted tours

756
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,480
and it's very very common

757
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,159
everybody knows that if you go on a

758
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,320
haunted tour or if you're an

759
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,480
investigator that these things if you

760
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,120
run across a decent a strong entity it's

761
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,520
going to drain your batteries

762
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,320
yeah so what i told the investigators i

763
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,000
wrote in what i called the becker which

764
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,320
is kind of like the miranda

765
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:00,399
and i said from now on you better read

766
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,360
your

767
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,640
and warn them

768
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,480
that they're traveling at their own risk

769
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,640
if they have a battery

770
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:10,640
in their body that they depend on if

771
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,919
they have a pacemaker a defibrillator

772
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,760
a hearing aid

773
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,559
they will drain that sucker uh i mean

774
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,320
dry and you won't find out until you

775
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,559
need it so the hearing aid guy i'll find

776
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,840
out right away

777
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,840
uh the pacemaker guy is gonna get

778
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,679
screwed

779
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,840
can you hold it right there and continue

780
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,360
right after the break

781
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,279
we're gonna take a quick break folks and

782
00:30:14,389 --> 00:29:35,039
we'll be right back with ed marsha

783
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:32,950
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784
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,149
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your host renee barnett and tonight

832
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:33,840
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833
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,279
with uh marcia and ed becker ed is the

834
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,640
author of a book called true haunting

835
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,200
about their experiences in their very

836
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,039
own haunted home

837
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,600
in 1970

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00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,880
have a look at the website

839
00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:50,640
truehaunting.com

840
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,320
and

841
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,960
edwinbecker.com

842
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,840
to see more about the book and about the

843
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,799
becker's story also if you want to go

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00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,600
over to facebook to edwin f becker

845
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,720
there is a copy right there on the front

846
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,000
page of a film that was made by the

847
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,760
sci-fi network

848
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,079
called paranormal witness it was a

849
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:14,639
series in which this particular episode

850
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:18,000
features uh ed marsha's story

851
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,200
so

852
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,040
we were talking about

853
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:22,480
how these things

854
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:26,800
do affect people uh in is particularly

855
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,919
with uh batteries and i never thought i

856
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,599
always thought about that when it comes

857
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,240
in terms of cameras i've been to places

858
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,280
that were you know deemed to be haunted

859
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,000
uh with television crews and found you

860
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,159
know that our cameras wouldn't work at

861
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,159
those particular sites or that you're

862
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,159
right the battery would drain

863
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,560
but i hadn't thought about the idea that

864
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,520
you know

865
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,960
some people have

866
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,200
batteries that keep them alive

867
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,000
and exactly exactly very very dangerous

868
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,040
for people to go to a site like that

869
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,880
yeah it's not like an energy a ghostly

870
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,480
energy is going to discriminate and say

871
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,640
oh i'm not going to hurt that guy i'll

872
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,480
take this guy's battery it's going to

873
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,960
drain energy wherever they find it and

874
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,640
whether it's emotional

875
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,640
or whether it's it's

876
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,640
hardwired electricity

877
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,040
which is why uh we're talking about all

878
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,720
the emails i get

879
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,960
i probably have another stack of 200

880
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,400
emails uh

881
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,680
or more where people's lights flicker

882
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:27,839
or things go on and off and you were

883
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,200
saying earlier uh off uh off microphone

884
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,200
that you've gotten thousands of letters

885
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:34,320
from people

886
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:35,200
uh

887
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,320
sort of

888
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,640
asking you what do i do with my place or

889
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,960
this is going on in my house and you're

890
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,839
saying that some of these phenomena are

891
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,160
not that uncommon

892
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,079
and in fact a greater percentage of

893
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,280
phenomena is is uh it's benign

894
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,680
it's not out to harm you and

895
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,480
one recent case i had i mean it was the

896
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,720
fella had a television and it would go

897
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,160
on and off

898
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,000
and he wrote me and he said you know his

899
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:06,000
tv just goes on and off or it'll change

900
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,440
channels

901
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,280
and i i told him i said the first thing

902
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,800
you want to try

903
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,560
because the one thing i do know is these

904
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,520
things can be very very territorial

905
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,359
i said move the television for the hell

906
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,800
of it i said move it to the other side

907
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,640
of the room

908
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,480
that's all it took

909
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,680
you moved it to the other side of the

910
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,800
room and

911
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,640
i said you were probably in this person

912
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:28,240
they might have had their favorite chair

913
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,280
there

914
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,280
uh who knows what the story could have

915
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,720
been

916
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,480
it's not out to harm you

917
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,839
you just violated its territory

918
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,760
and that's probably something i did when

919
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,200
i bought the building because i was an

920
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,720
ignorant young man

921
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,320
and the first thing i did is i met a

922
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,400
fellow who lived down the alley from me

923
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,400
he owned a second-hand store

924
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,280
and he wanted a an old concrete mixer it

925
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,839
was a hand mixer that i had in the

926
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:55,040
backyard and he said can i hear can i

927
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,320
buy it from you and i said don't tell

928
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,640
you what you got a store

929
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,119
if you'll come in and clean out because

930
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,880
i had to get this ready for marcia and

931
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,400
for us to move in

932
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,839
within weeks

933
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,040
so i said if you'll come into the

934
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,359
apartment and just clean the place out

935
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,400
everything

936
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,240
i said you could have it all including

937
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,320
the mixer everything

938
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,440
so he happily did so and uh i never

939
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,720
thought

940
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,560
that you know these things do have a

941
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,400
sense of domain and sometimes they do

942
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,720
have attachments

943
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:26,960
i may have immediately had declared war

944
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,320
on him you know by doing that

945
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,320
uh but i i wasn't a believer and i was

946
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,119
ignorant and uh i certainly was not

947
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,280
afraid of ghosts

948
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,800
uh

949
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,560
there were no such thing as ghosts in

950
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,079
1970

951
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,000
other than maybe you'd hear from hans

952
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,440
holzer every now and then on johnny

953
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,640
carson

954
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,440
uh

955
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,839
but there were vampires and there were

956
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,200
other things but all the ghosts were

957
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,839
friendly it was the ghost of mrs muir

958
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:55,359
it was

959
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,400
if you remember

960
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,920
casper topper

961
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,760
you know these were the canterville

962
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,119
ghosts i mean all these people were

963
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,280
friendly and they were adjusters and you

964
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,520
know so i had nothing to be afraid of

965
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,359
myself

966
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,040
and when marcia started describing

967
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,839
phenomena to me

968
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,320
i i basically punished her in a way

969
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:16,079
because now i look back and i feel bad

970
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,200
but

971
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,280
i thought well she was used to doing

972
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,359
what she wanted and being working when

973
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,920
she wanted to and being outdoors

974
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,880
uh

975
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,640
now she's got a baby her chemistry's

976
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,760
changed

977
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:30,000
i thought she's going a little wacko

978
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,839
thank

979
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,119
you i mean that was my feeling is is

980
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,359
she's a little bit chemically unbalanced

981
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,240
and

982
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,270
you know

983
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,040
you're probably have all the women up in

984
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,200
arms right now but you know

985
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:47,119
i can see how you might have thought it

986
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,400
might be something like you know

987
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,320
postpartum depression which i don't know

988
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,079
that they'd identified

989
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:55,200
back then as much as they have now

990
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,920
uh

991
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,760
but i had i had an english lady that

992
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,640
wrote me that she just put it so she

993
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,240
read some of my work she liked my work

994
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,760
and she was very complimentary but she

995
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:06,079
said to me in reading true haunting she

996
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:06,960
said

997
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:12,829
most

998
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,280
objectionable yes that was so cool

999
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,079
but what these things do is i is they

1000
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,640
size you up these energies

1001
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,680
i i believe that they sensed who i was

1002
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,079
and they sensed that i wasn't afraid and

1003
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,599
they sensed that marsha was more

1004
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:31,920
sensitive than i i was

1005
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,000
and they started working on her and uh

1006
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,079
it started it started to create friction

1007
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,400
between us because one i mean one of the

1008
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,800
main things it did that really made me

1009
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,400
crazy was it took it would take the

1010
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,160
phone off the hook

1011
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,880
now in 1970 you couldn't own a telephone

1012
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,240
you had to lease it from the phone

1013
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,520
company

1014
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,599
very expensive and to get a jack put in

1015
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,320
to plug it in was very expensive so we

1016
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,079
could afford one phone

1017
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,680
we put it strategically in the middle of

1018
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,990
it wasn't real easy to see but it was

1019
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,839
easy to get to and the old ringers were

1020
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,079
loud so not a problem

1021
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,960
it took the phone off the hook

1022
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,880
well i'd call home during work to find

1023
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,400
out how things are and how she's doing

1024
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,920
and how's the baby

1025
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,839
i'd get a busy signal there was no call

1026
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,280
waiting

1027
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,359
in fact there were no area codes or even

1028
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,440
everything was operator assistant

1029
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,400
and you got billed for every every unit

1030
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,520
every minute whether it was local or not

1031
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,400
so i was mad it was like

1032
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:34,079
number one she's on the phone all damn

1033
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:35,040
day

1034
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,320
and number two we can't afford this so

1035
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,240
i'd come home and i'd be just steaming

1036
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000
and she would greet me with this face

1037
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,160
that was so innocent

1038
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:46,560
and it was like what are you mad about

1039
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,320
and i i say you know you're on the phone

1040
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:49,920
all damn day who the hell you talking to

1041
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,760
blah blah and i'd you know i i had a

1042
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,480
a pretty good temper and i'd be upset

1043
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,319
and uh she would look in the front room

1044
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,599
and there are the phones off the hook

1045
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,800
and she'd say well the phone's off the

1046
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,160
hook

1047
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,960
well you know to salvage my display i'd

1048
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,560
say you know well you should have

1049
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,319
checked it you know that the

1050
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,160
my assumption was the dog knocked it off

1051
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,760
the cat knocked it off

1052
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,359
uh you know

1053
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,680
yeah the last thing on my mind was that

1054
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,400
guess what a ghost took it off you know

1055
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,280
uh

1056
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,520
in those years i could have wrote this

1057
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,880
wrote this is a haunted house on the

1058
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:24,640
building and the police probably would

1059
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,510
but it started to get on us to where we

1060
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,280
were emotionally you know

1061
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,599
if my wallet or my keys were moved i'd

1062
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:37,280
say to marcia where where'd you put my

1063
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,480
keys

1064
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,000
she looked at me like i was crazy i

1065
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,680
haven't touched your keys

1066
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,520
and i'd find them on another table or

1067
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,280
i'd find them somewhere else or my

1068
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,440
wallet would be somewhere else

1069
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,000
and they would work on you emotionally

1070
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,800
and weaken you and

1071
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,760
well that's what i said before they

1072
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,800
know

1073
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,760
what

1074
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,960
bothers you they know your fears and

1075
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,280
that's what they take they take that

1076
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,880
part of you

1077
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,520
and they throw it back at you

1078
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,920
yeah if they're malevolent if it's a

1079
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,760
malevolent spirit

1080
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,720
uh you're in for a good ride

1081
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,400
definitely and

1082
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,240
because they'll take their time and it's

1083
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,280
subtle

1084
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,200
and it's continuous

1085
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,200
and they will stay on you and gradually

1086
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,280
drain you and i mean

1087
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,440
eventually marsha and i i mean

1088
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,440
we didn't sleep well of course you're

1089
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,720
going to have nightmares you become

1090
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,480
sleep deprived

1091
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,040
you start attributing everything because

1092
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,560
because your wallet's missing and your

1093
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,880
keys are missing and you can't find them

1094
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,680
now if you really do

1095
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,359
misplace something you start to blame

1096
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,040
them also for that

1097
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,480
and you start to look around and get

1098
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,560
paranoid

1099
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,280
it's a long long process

1100
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:53,040
most investigators when they go out and

1101
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,160
they say

1102
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:55,839
you know we ran in and got a bit of

1103
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,480
evidence they ran out i typically am not

1104
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,240
impressed by anything

1105
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,599
simply because you're not going to see

1106
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,520
the true force of those things unless

1107
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,599
you stay there a month

1108
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,000
no i mean if you add

1109
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,560
wanting to protect a child on top of

1110
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:13,520
that

1111
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,480
great deal of pressure well my my first

1112
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,520
my first

1113
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,040
resort was

1114
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,720
and it really didn't have to do i still

1115
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,720
wasn't a believer

1116
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,960
but it was just a tradition in my family

1117
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,359
i was raised a catholic a latin catholic

1118
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,800
i was an altar boy and all that good

1119
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,839
stuff

1120
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,520
and it was to get the hot building

1121
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,880
blessed

1122
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,040
and i figured that would also probably

1123
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,720
put marsha's mind to these that would

1124
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:37,920
help her

1125
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:41,200
and we invited the priest over

1126
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,160
and

1127
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,319
after our daughter was christened the

1128
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,800
family our whole unlike colonel witness

1129
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,240
our whole family was there and friends

1130
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,000
we had about 16. there's a house full

1131
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:52,160
right and we had we had a buffet set up

1132
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,040
and it was going to be a real

1133
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,880
celebration

1134
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,680
and i walked with the priest and uh

1135
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,520
as we walked up the front stairs myra

1136
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,079
had locked the outer door

1137
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,319
and i knew marcia didn't do it and uh so

1138
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,119
i

1139
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,119
got my key out no sooner than myra heard

1140
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,200
the key she came flying out

1141
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:10,800
and i mean she aimed directly at the

1142
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,160
priest and she stopped cursing him out

1143
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,720
and i i was you know angry i was

1144
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,319
embarrassed

1145
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,359
okay so myra was still there yeah yeah

1146
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,480
yeah

1147
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,359
was right

1148
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:27,200
when we went to closing

1149
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,079
you know

1150
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,000
i had a contingency it was very rather

1151
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,640
strong contingency that she's out right

1152
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,160
well what happened was none of their

1153
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,400
family would take her

1154
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,240
so they came back to me when it came

1155
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:40,720
close to closing and they said can she

1156
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,480
stay another 90 days 220 days

1157
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,520
and i

1158
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,760
didn't have the money to close this is

1159
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,680
god's truth

1160
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,160
so i figured out quickly how much money

1161
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,000
i needed to close

1162
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,040
and i said to them yes you can stay if

1163
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,920
you pay me this amount up front up front

1164
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,200
right

1165
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,599
and they absolutely agreed i mean no one

1166
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,040
was going to take her into their home

1167
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,960
that you had to have to be crazy

1168
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,520
into a cage maybe you know

1169
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,800
but uh

1170
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,640
so they they gave me the check that they

1171
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:13,760
actually allowed me to close the

1172
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,119
building but we had to live with my uh

1173
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,440
for a little over three months

1174
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,560
and almost four months and uh

1175
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,160
she i mean she broke into marsha's

1176
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880
kitchen once and uh

1177
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,040
raving and screaming and we had a number

1178
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,400
of uh clashes with myra oh my gosh

1179
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,599
she would have been

1180
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,680
more terrifying to me than

1181
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,640
than the ghosts but you know i had um

1182
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,200
you mentioned something earlier about

1183
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,200
you said that they seem to be

1184
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,599
you know marcia seem to be bothered by

1185
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,560
these more initially and you felt that

1186
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,720
you know that marcia was more sensitive

1187
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,520
which

1188
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,560
you know

1189
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,640
probably is true because i think women

1190
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,960
generally are more sensitive to things

1191
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,960
like this more intuitive

1192
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,119
uh you know it comes i think from being

1193
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,760
moms you know but

1194
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:04,560
um

1195
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,200
also i have another idea that you know

1196
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,960
because of some of the things that you

1197
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:11,920
found

1198
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,760
ed in the house down in that basement

1199
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:16,960
that

1200
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,720
shed some light on the previous owner

1201
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,599
i have a feeling that he might have been

1202
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,119
bothering her

1203
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,000
because she was a young attractive woman

1204
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,520
and

1205
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,839
it had something to do with you know uh

1206
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,560
with her being being female

1207
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,960
paranormal witness did a nice job in our

1208
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,560
producer uh

1209
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,480
mark lewis

1210
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,000
i mean stayed in touch with us our

1211
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,599
interviews were actually in the first

1212
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,960
week in april

1213
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,880
uh they didn't finish production on that

1214
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,079
they decided we were going to be the

1215
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,280
finale

1216
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,280
pretty quick because uh

1217
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,720
it was the production people from

1218
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,680
x-files from not in toronto that did

1219
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,800
filming

1220
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,640
and they filmed so many scenes that they

1221
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,400
did not want to give up

1222
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,680
that they said okay we're going to make

1223
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,240
it 90 minutes and you'll be the finale

1224
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,720
uh and they tried as hard as they could

1225
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,280
i mean he would call me for every change

1226
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,520
and i objected to a few things

1227
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,079
my sister was not found in an alley

1228
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,200
uh though they're you know i didn't uh

1229
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,359
i invited in the priest for the house

1230
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,000
blessing so i was not against it i was

1231
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:23,200
for it

1232
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,920
uh

1233
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,400
they had some distortions but

1234
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,720
he did a pretty damn good job i thought

1235
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,119
telling the story in 64 minutes

1236
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:32,480
uh

1237
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,599
the beginning

1238
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:41,119
of

1239
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,440
that was i think at that point it was

1240
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,040
declared war

1241
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,599
it showed itself yeah at least one of

1242
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,599
the entities in the end they were told

1243
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,079
there were at least five yes one of them

1244
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,400
showed itself then because i didn't

1245
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,400
recognize it no one recognized it

1246
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:00,640
actually but the priest i believe

1247
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,920
himself maybe marshall had an inkling

1248
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:06,240
but the priest came in and of course he

1249
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,109
upset about the uh the myra incident and

1250
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,960
he was kind of off his game

1251
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,480
and he decided that he wasn't going to

1252
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,040
stay for brunch or lunch or buffet he

1253
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,280
was just going to bless the house and go

1254
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,599
which i kind of understood

1255
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,640
uh

1256
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,800
he put on his stole and he took out his

1257
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,839
holy water dispenser and his little book

1258
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,440
of rituals

1259
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,200
and he went to he started in the front

1260
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,720
room and i had been an altar boy so i

1261
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:36,079
had been an assistant on many house

1262
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,200
blessings

1263
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,800
and he started where he should have

1264
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,000
started in the center of the house and

1265
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,000
then you go to each bedroom and every

1266
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,109
he raised his hand with a brass holy

1267
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,559
water dispenser

1268
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,800
and unlike the movies it didn't make a

1269
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,119
big kaboom or anything like that

1270
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,640
he just raised his hand and the brass

1271
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,720
thing just shattered

1272
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,079
so it was like

1273
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,760
if he had an egg in his hand he crushed

1274
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,200
it or something

1275
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,040
that's exactly what happened

1276
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,480
and no sound no nothing the brass uh

1277
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,359
brass breasts it's shattered

1278
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:12,000
dispenser shattered like glass

1279
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,040
yes yes

1280
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,960
like if it was an eggshell or something

1281
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,760
right kind of exploded or something or

1282
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,760
it didn't it didn't explode now it just

1283
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,119
kind of crumbled it just kind of

1284
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,359
crumpled and the brass that fell

1285
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,440
straight down all the pieces of brass

1286
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,280
he immediately crossed himself and bent

1287
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,440
down and started picking up pieces the

1288
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,240
looks look at his face i was kind of

1289
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,000
puzzled because i had

1290
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,240
i was very familiar with that utensil

1291
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,920
and it was like i never

1292
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,440
saw brass

1293
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,200
you typically you could throw one on the

1294
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,520
sidewalk and you can't break it you know

1295
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:45,200
uh

1296
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,720
believe frightened he was we didn't

1297
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,000
recognize it

1298
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
and he got up and he said i must go

1299
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,800
simply very simply i must go

1300
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,400
and i said no you're gonna bless my

1301
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,839
daughter's room

1302
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,920
and he said no i'm leaving and i said no

1303
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,839
and i grabbed his shoulder

1304
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,720
and

1305
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,400
you know he was a little guy i could

1306
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,079
have just grabbed him by the neck you

1307
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,680
know i said you're gonna bless my

1308
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,280
daughter's room

1309
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,880
and he went into her room and he

1310
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,240
basically you know shook some of the

1311
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,240
water that was on his hand

1312
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,240
and basically said the blessing in hyper

1313
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,760
speed latin

1314
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,880
and then he ran out and

1315
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,720
i thought you know i had been a

1316
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,640
performer in my youth i in fact that's

1317
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,960
how martial i met i was a

1318
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,559
professional musician traveling the

1319
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,839
country

1320
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,599
and so i thought he had like a stage

1321
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,960
fright or something

1322
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:37,040
that this ritual went

1323
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,839
wrong and he just lost his composure uh

1324
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,359
i figured i'd just make a simple phone

1325
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,880
call i'll get him back during the week

1326
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,240
and we'll

1327
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,280
get the house blast you know no big deal

1328
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,280
when he left he created an incident that

1329
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,119
i mean made everybody laugh afterwards

1330
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:54,800
they all had a whole back because

1331
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,720
we had a closet door and a uh front door

1332
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,839
in the middle of the building in the

1333
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,440
middle of our apartment

1334
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,119
and he went into the closet he actually

1335
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,880
went into the closet

1336
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,480
so he didn't open it and say oh this is

1337
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,880
a closet he was kind of looking in all

1338
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,520
directions opened the door and walked in

1339
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,640
and then he started to close the door

1340
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,720
and all of us my mother you know my

1341
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,240
brother my friends were all looking at

1342
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,440
each other like what the hell is he

1343
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,559
doing

1344
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,079
and then he came out and caught what he

1345
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,920
was doing grabbed the front door

1346
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,480
meanwhile i had a donation which is

1347
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,800
typical for the for the ritual

1348
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,800
uh you give to the priest and my blind

1349
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,720
friend was holding it he'd been blinded

1350
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,000
in vietnam

1351
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,680
and he was just holding out the envelope

1352
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,880
thinking the priest is going to see it

1353
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,079
and take it

1354
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,040
the priest

1355
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,040
blew right by him so i grabbed the

1356
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
envelope and i chased the priesthood

1357
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,119
literally down the stairs

1358
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,040
and he took that i'll always remember he

1359
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:48,800
took that envelope

1360
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,200
like you do a baton in a relay race

1361
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:55,760
he kept moving forward but he stand back

1362
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,960
and i i had ran track and relay so he

1363
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,400
was like

1364
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,800
holy crap you know this guy is really

1365
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:05,119
motivated to get the hell out of here

1366
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,079
uh

1367
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,160
martin was probably right we probably

1368
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,640
declared war we took it to another level

1369
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,440
yes

1370
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,280
after that

1371
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:19,589
everything became more active we started

1372
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,040
to hear audible things right

1373
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,520
when did myra finally leave the

1374
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,720
someone in the chat room is uh asking

1375
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:31,680
if the activity decreased when she lamp

1376
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,800
they thought maybe she was connected to

1377
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,599
the poltergeist activity

1378
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,200
no no

1379
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,440
we had hoped so

1380
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,280
because a lot there were a lot of noises

1381
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,040
and things that we kind of attributed to

1382
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,400
myra

1383
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:47,760
we were hearing footsteps on the back

1384
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,040
porch we figured it's myra out there

1385
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:52,800
but it wasn't and there were some

1386
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,760
strange things that we look back at now

1387
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,599
and in fact there was a reader of my

1388
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,200
book that wrote me

1389
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,440
and they said did myra's dog ever make

1390
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,520
any noise

1391
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,599
and it wasn't until you know 42 years

1392
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,880
later march and i are sitting there

1393
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,480
thinking we never heard that dog make

1394
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,079
any noise no

1395
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,119
even when i'd yell on myra's face

1396
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,680
that dog wouldn't even acknowledge me

1397
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,200
and then when they moved her out she

1398
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,319
moved out almost four months later

1399
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,520
uh

1400
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,720
in in in early march late late end of

1401
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,800
february early march

1402
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,040
and uh when she left the apartment was

1403
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,599
clean i expected because we never saw

1404
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,440
myra come and go and we never saw the

1405
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,359
dog being let out

1406
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:36,800
so we figured she must be letting the

1407
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,240
dog do its business in the house

1408
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,400
when she left the place was

1409
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,599
other than uh dust and dirt and not not

1410
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,119
being cleaned

1411
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,640
it was clean there was no evidence an

1412
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,119
animal had ever been there

1413
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:52,880
uh and you know when she left it was

1414
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,760
happy days are here again because

1415
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,599
you said you kind of said it earlier you

1416
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,839
said you're more afraid of people so was

1417
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,079
i okay

1418
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,839
as a young man i was more afraid of

1419
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,280
people especially if you grew up in the

1420
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,880
inner city

1421
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:08,000
ghosts

1422
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:08,880
you know

1423
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,000
it that that's their airbags or nothing

1424
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:14,559
and that's how that was my attitude i i

1425
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,400
was very very uh disrespectful

1426
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:21,520
and i even agitated them uh i got one

1427
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:24,800
they actually performed for me but my

1428
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,440
take on the family at that point was

1429
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,880
that

1430
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,640
they were all nuts

1431
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,359
all right i mean myra was clearly crazy

1432
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,079
whether she was possessed or oppressed

1433
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,640
or just insane

1434
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,559
i don't know and i knew that i found a

1435
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,319
ouija board in the house that was well

1436
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
worn

1437
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,040
so they may have conjured something for

1438
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,880
all i knew but i didn't know anything

1439
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,720
much about conjuring i just knew that

1440
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,160
ouija boards are bad that's what i was

1441
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,920
taught

1442
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,160
but what i found in the basement i mean

1443
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,079
paranormal witness did not do a good job

1444
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,520
with that

1445
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,000
because what i found was a storage shed

1446
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,880
that was filled

1447
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,640
completely filled with

1448
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,040
early pornography so it had early nudist

1449
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,760
magazines it had

1450
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,079
all kinds of magazines and then

1451
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,920
the most disturbing part the magazine's

1452
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,880
okay

1453
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,040
uh you know everybody playboy was brand

1454
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,559
new you know pretty much brand new and

1455
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,480
men had their places you know but this

1456
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,160
place was ben's

1457
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:27,280
and on the back wall were shoe boxes

1458
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,559
stacked up

1459
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,359
about six high

1460
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,119
at least four feet wide because that was

1461
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,640
the shed if you can imagine how many

1462
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,480
boxes that would be

1463
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,440
they were filled with clippings

1464
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,040
now they weren't just clippings thrown

1465
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,880
in there they were neatly cut out and

1466
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,280
approx approximately same size

1467
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,240
rubber band like baseball cards and when

1468
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,240
we started looking at the clippings my

1469
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:52,640
younger brother and i

1470
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,920
they were cut outs a woman's body parts

1471
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,359
and it didn't matter if it was a

1472
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
photograph or a cartoon or whatever

1473
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,480
he'd cut that part out

1474
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,079
and put it in his

1475
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,839
collection

1476
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,960
and

1477
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,880
i mean even my 14 year old brother is 10

1478
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,640
years younger than me he said this guy's

1479
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
freaking nuts

1480
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:15,119
so

1481
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,960
as time went on i started talking to him

1482
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:21,920
uh you know i i call it i called him ben

1483
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:24,799
and i said ben now ben is is was the

1484
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,520
former owner of the house right

1485
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,920
well he was the last living uh the last

1486
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,240
living male that lived there he had had

1487
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:33,440
a heart attack

1488
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,119
bathroom upstairs

1489
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,440
which uh you know it never frightened me

1490
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,680
i mean uh initially you're hearing

1491
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,760
anything about that because like i said

1492
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,760
if you're living in a city if you're in

1493
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,920
chicago or new york or cleveland or

1494
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,680
washington or baltimore

1495
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,720
you're going to move into an old

1496
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:52,160
building where a lot of people passed

1497
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,040
away

1498
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:55,040
yeah i mean not all of them stay here on

1499
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,839
earth

1500
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:57,280
uh hopefully

1501
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,400
thank goodness

1502
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,559
and not all of them

1503
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,119
are going to be malevolent right

1504
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,559
but the one thing that i know today

1505
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,920
is that

1506
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,160
some of these spirits

1507
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,880
have a sense of domain that we no longer

1508
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,960
understand

1509
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,359
because when they built when this person

1510
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,760
built the house that we bought

1511
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,680
he built it thinking that he would live

1512
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,200
there

1513
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,480
because they did

1514
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,079
and if you had grandchildren they would

1515
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,520
live there

1516
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,680
and they weren't a mobile society like

1517
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,960
we are

1518
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,280
they they held on to it i mean they had

1519
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,000
a sense of domain that we can

1520
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,559
we can't duplicate today

1521
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,240
and i think that's what holds a lot of

1522
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
spirits to this earth uh

1523
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,760
but we were dealing i wasn't sure you

1524
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,280
know you never get

1525
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,880
people ask me about research and stuff

1526
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,880
like that i don't much believe in it

1527
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,640
because

1528
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,240
it's interesting

1529
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,920
it's educational

1530
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,520
but you never get introduced to your

1531
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,720
spirit

1532
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,319
informally

1533
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,680
so you don't know what the heck you're

1534
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,520
dealing with

1535
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,760
and it's it's much like i get major

1536
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,559
arguments with people who

1537
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,200
are in favor of using ouija boards

1538
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,040
because you open up a ouija board and if

1539
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,280
you if you do open one up

1540
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,640
and you're able to to create an opening

1541
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,240
the other side of the ouija board that

1542
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,680
you can't see is like a prison

1543
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,119
so if you were in a prison and the

1544
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,760
warden said hey

1545
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,680
you guys could use the phone guess who's

1546
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:33,839
going to be first in line

1547
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,349
well what the hell do you think is on

1548
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,760
the side of the ouija board

1549
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,839
all right now you're gonna say can i

1550
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,559
talk to my uncle joe or my aunt mary

1551
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,480
and he's gonna say sure

1552
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:51,280
you know i'm married

1553
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,079
and

1554
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,040
i i know people i know one fellow who

1555
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,119
he carries is ouija board has trapped

1556
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,880
him you know

1557
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:01,359
unlike what people think

1558
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:02,240
the

1559
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,200
evil

1560
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:04,960
or the demonic

1561
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:08,880
does not come at you in a scary way

1562
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,079
it it seduces you

1563
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,160
so that all your initial things with the

1564
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,480
ouija board are going to be friendly

1565
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:18,000
and gradually it's going to try to

1566
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,280
control

1567
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,200
it's going to help you come back

1568
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,799
it's going to give you a little more

1569
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,640
it's going to it's going to constantly

1570
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,000
it's going to get you to where you're

1571
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,079
dependent on it and i know i know a

1572
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,079
fellow who carries this around he's a

1573
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,319
trucker he puts in his truck he thinks

1574
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,400
he's communicating with with a past soul

1575
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,920
mate

1576
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:37,760
he has no not a clue

1577
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,430
very very dangerous hold that thought i

1578
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,599
have another ouija board question for

1579
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,240
you when we come back from this break

1580
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,640
we'll be right back with ed marsha

1581
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,720
becker hang in there with us please

1582
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,920
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01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,200
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01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,680
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1626
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:03,270
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1627
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:50,789
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1628
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:54,319
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1629
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,520
barnett

1630
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,720
joining me tonight are ed and marsha

1631
01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:59,839
becker

1632
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,720
ed is the author of true haunting look

1633
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,799
it up on twohaunting.com or on

1634
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:06,640
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1635
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,240
or on edwin f becker on facebook

1636
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,200
where you'll also find a copy of the

1637
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:16,160
video of the episode of paranormal

1638
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,119
witness

1639
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,440
which was a it's a nice long episode too

1640
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:21,119
i think it was 90 minutes when it aired

1641
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,559
of course without all the commercials

1642
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,720
it's a little bit over an hour i think

1643
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:27,039
so have a look at it it's very very well

1644
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,839
done

1645
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,599
and according to the becker's it was

1646
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,760
pretty well represented uh or

1647
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,680
representative i should say

1648
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,359
of their story a few things that

1649
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,720
differed but of course

1650
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,480
that's always going to happen now we

1651
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:40,319
were talking about ouija boards before

1652
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:41,359
the break

1653
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,760
and how uh

1654
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,079
you did find one in the house it seemed

1655
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,319
to have been well worn and you know you

1656
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,760
were thinking that perhaps someone had

1657
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,440
sort of opened up

1658
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,760
something there created a portal or

1659
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,599
created an opening

1660
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,839
for through which these entities could

1661
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:58,880
have come

1662
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:02,559
but i noticed in the film that uh

1663
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,920
there was a time when your sister moved

1664
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,480
into the house

1665
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:10,319
there was a ouija board involved in that

1666
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,760
story can you just tell me a little bit

1667
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,359
about that ed

1668
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,520
yeah um

1669
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,440
the ouija board i found was well worn

1670
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,200
and i just demolished it when we first

1671
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,799
moved in i didn't even mention it to

1672
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:22,000
anyone

1673
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,359
my little brother was the only one that

1674
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:25,039
knew because he was helping me

1675
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:26,559
but when my sister moved in what

1676
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,920
happened was our first tenants

1677
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,160
they had we didn't mar they went through

1678
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,000
in a flash because

1679
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,319
they moved in the next thing we knew

1680
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
they were asking to break their lease

1681
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,119
and they moved out

1682
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,680
as far as we knew they were happy

1683
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,359
the story of what happened to them is

1684
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,599
horrific uh dan was on paranormal

1685
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,880
witness

1686
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:48,160
and you'll read about it in true

1687
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,440
haunting too

1688
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:50,799
this summer

1689
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,039
but then my sister moved in and you know

1690
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,200
marcia and i did not know

1691
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,680
what was in the first floor

1692
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,720
had i known what happened to

1693
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,559
dave and alan as i call him in the book

1694
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:04,160
i would have never released it to her

1695
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,920
regardless of anything

1696
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,280
but my mom

1697
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,440
came on and she stressed you know like i

1698
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,039
should give my sister a bargain it's

1699
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,119
close to where my brother-in-law was

1700
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,760
working uh i could never say no to my

1701
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,799
mother

1702
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,200
uh my sister was a strong personality

1703
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,720
and she moved in but

1704
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:23,039
she was a bit of uh you know a 70s

1705
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,480
flower child

1706
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,000
so she had these friends that were kind

1707
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,319
of uh

1708
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,799
strange and you know new age and looking

1709
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:33,359
for mind expansion and crap

1710
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,430
that wasn't who i was you know i was a

1711
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:43,440
musician i was pretty liberal but i

1712
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,039
didn't believe in any of that you know

1713
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,559
uh because you had people running around

1714
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,480
in those years where i'm dropping out

1715
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,880
man yeah tonight

1716
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,319
i used to tell them yeah go ahead that

1717
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,880
sounds like a good idea and marcia would

1718
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,720
say why did you tell him that and i'd

1719
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,799
say less competition in the job market

1720
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,789
you know i want to go out in the desert

1721
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,960
learn the higher way

1722
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:07,280
but my sister was one of those and i i

1723
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,559
really didn't get involved in their

1724
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,839
personal life

1725
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,799
uh

1726
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,960
i didn't know that my my brother-in-law

1727
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,960
was very tolerant of her

1728
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,720
and she had friends and they started to

1729
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,119
conduct seances

1730
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,799
now if you read the book you find out

1731
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,880
that yeah i i was working full-time 10

1732
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,520
hours a day and then i got a second job

1733
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,760
after the exorcism failed

1734
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,680
all this happened after the exorcism

1735
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,079
failed and you know we should talk about

1736
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,920
the extra system a little bit but my

1737
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:36,079
sister brought in

1738
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,520
people

1739
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,440
we since the exorcism failed we had been

1740
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,720
on the news

1741
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,240
and she kind of felt it was like a

1742
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:44,160
celebrity house

1743
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,839
you know and we got i got ghosts i live

1744
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,359
where they got the ghosts you know and

1745
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,960
she was bragging about it

1746
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,640
and people were coming over that wanted

1747
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:53,119
to make contact and uh

1748
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,720
i'm working two jobs so i'm leaving at

1749
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:58,799
5 30 6 in the morning and i'm coming

1750
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,839
home at 10 30 11 o'clock at night

1751
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,599
marcia starts to observe different

1752
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,839
things and uh

1753
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,920
my sister starts with with the seances

1754
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:10,079
in the ouija board

1755
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,359
and

1756
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,280
the first time the truth was the first

1757
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,280
time she told me

1758
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,359
i was exhausted

1759
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,520
and uh she was talking about something

1760
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,520
and i just basically said yeah yeah yeah

1761
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,839
yeah yeah i wanna just wanna go to sleep

1762
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:25,039
you know

1763
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:26,079
uh

1764
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,079
month later at least

1765
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,160
and then she marshall was a little more

1766
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,920
you know she cracked me one and she said

1767
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,880
you know

1768
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,960
listen to me your sister's using a ouija

1769
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,000
board

1770
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,680
right and i went berserk i i

1771
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,760
went downstairs i banged on the door she

1772
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,160
opened the door i said give it to me

1773
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,039
uh do a lot of expletives uh i grabbed

1774
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,520
it i smashed into a thousand pieces

1775
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,200
i told her i said you know if i ever see

1776
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:56,000
one or here one in the house i'm gonna

1777
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,760
throw you completely out in the street i

1778
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,440
said that that night i'll start throwing

1779
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,559
your furniture out the damn window

1780
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:04,480
i knew it was a mistake

1781
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,240
you know now i by that time i was

1782
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:11,119
i was no longer a non-believer

1783
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,559
i might have still been in a little bit

1784
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,760
of denial

1785
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:16,319
but i was sure we had a problem

1786
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,679
and

1787
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:19,359
i knew that the ouija board could do

1788
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,719
nothing but contribute to it and uh

1789
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,359
when she had used the ouija board

1790
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,000
did something happen or did she report

1791
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,920
to you that you know

1792
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:31,679
something odd had happened with the

1793
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:32,960
ouija board

1794
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,319
well i started to have uh

1795
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,440
it was actually through marsha uh marcia

1796
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,759
started telling me things that i'd have

1797
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,159
to listen to because i was usually tired

1798
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,359
i was working

1799
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,880
i lied in the book i was actually

1800
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,719
working three jobs so i had an evening

1801
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,560
job and then i had a weekend

1802
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,920
job programming was starting to

1803
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,440
proliferate and i was starting to get

1804
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,719
some work

1805
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,359
uh beside my full-time job so

1806
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:59,679
my sister started to have knowledge that

1807
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:02,400
she couldn't have had

1808
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,279
and

1809
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,199
at first i wrote it off to maybe she's

1810
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,000
talking to the neighbors too like i did

1811
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:09,839
but she wasn't she was good and she was

1812
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:15,990
knowledge about the house or the people

1813
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,120
or the people a certain entity that we

1814
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,640
called henry

1815
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:23,279
uh a dark energy uh from what i've

1816
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:25,120
learned from the exorcist and the

1817
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,080
psychic

1818
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,560
he was the darkest energy

1819
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:30,000
and

1820
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,640
now i know what happened to

1821
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,319
dan's wife

1822
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,400
so which i call dave and ellen i never

1823
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,640
knew that ellen was tormented

1824
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,719
i never knew that she demanded she gets

1825
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:44,480
out of the house

1826
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:45,759
uh

1827
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,880
off-center by what they experienced

1828
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,360
so i you know later when i analyzed it

1829
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:59,280
it was like boy oh boy it picked on

1830
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:00,840
every woman for

1831
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,560
sure because i saw myra yes i saw ellen

1832
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,960
and then in the end my sister basically

1833
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,640
disappeared

1834
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,640
she went through all the various i mean

1835
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,760
today

1836
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,840
if you talk to an exorcist

1837
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,760
a true exorcist let's say the archbishop

1838
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,400
ron fail he's got an order of exorcist

1839
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,960
which i just think is outstanding

1840
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,640
but if you talk to through a true

1841
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:24,400
exorcist there's stages that a person

1842
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,679
goes through

1843
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,600
and you know depression and oppression

1844
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,600
and and

1845
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,199
you start to have these stages lack of

1846
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:32,960
hygiene uh

1847
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,400
eventually you become suicidal

1848
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,920
my sister was going through all those

1849
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,640
stages except that it was invisible to

1850
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,199
me because i was always working

1851
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,000
and in the end what happened is she uh

1852
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:48,000
she was hearing voices

1853
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,520
the voices were telling her to commit

1854
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,440
suicide

1855
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,199
and she disappeared in the middle of the

1856
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:55,120
night

1857
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,960
and it was at a point where we had just

1858
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,520
about we already moved out

1859
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,880
and the next thing i knew my

1860
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,480
brother-in-law called me and said you

1861
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,440
know she's gone april's missing

1862
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,880
and i didn't have a clue because i

1863
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,480
didn't know her friends really i didn't

1864
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,800
know her habits

1865
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:13,040
and in chicago if there was no sign of

1866
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,480
foul play

1867
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,159
the police paid no attention for three

1868
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,920
four days

1869
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,000
and then they might put out a

1870
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,840
thing for a missing person they

1871
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,120
certainly weren't going to investigate

1872
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,400
anything

1873
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,000
and they found her eventually she was

1874
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,080
living with a group of vic you know some

1875
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,040
type of cult in cicero illinois

1876
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,280
and uh that was the end of my of her

1877
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,800
marriage and everything else her life

1878
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,360
crumpled oh my goodness

1879
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,280
and uh

1880
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,159
it got worse from there i mean

1881
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:44,560
did you speak with her after that oh

1882
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,159
yeah we saw her a number of times but we

1883
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,640
didn't speak to her immediately after

1884
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,520
uh we saw her

1885
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,640
i'd say at least a few years later

1886
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,360
and she was not the same person

1887
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,679
and in fact you know with respect for my

1888
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:04,000
family i won't get into details

1889
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,520
but

1890
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,080
she was abusing her children

1891
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,800
and unlike to unlike what society

1892
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:12,960
believes

1893
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,640
child abuse is an economic recognition

1894
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:19,120
if marsha and i abused our child were

1895
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,719
lived pretty much an upper middle class

1896
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,440
life our doctor looked at their child if

1897
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,600
you saw a bruise he questioned christine

1898
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:28,000
or catherine said what was that from

1899
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,360
if you're in the inner city like my

1900
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:31,520
sister lives she smashed

1901
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:34,719
my nephew in the face with a metal train

1902
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,040
split his lip

1903
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,560
they took him to the hospital and the

1904
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,480
hospital stitched him up he told the

1905
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,640
doctor who did it

1906
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:44,880
my sister admitted she did it

1907
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,360
and they didn't do crap

1908
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,080
all right because abuse in the lower

1909
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,600
income

1910
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,000
economic level is common

1911
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:56,000
you know uh

1912
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,120
that's why you hear of all these

1913
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,679
tragedies with dcf and things like that

1914
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,040
i mean there's places where they didn't

1915
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,560
want to go

1916
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,400
in chicago i mean i lived in cabrini

1917
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:06,000
green before they tore it down when my

1918
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,440
earlier my youth

1919
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,440
nobody wanted to go in there

1920
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,120
you know today would throw kids right

1921
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,000
off the balconies off the 21st floor

1922
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,760
uh

1923
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,840
you know so what happened was my sister

1924
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:19,840
went down a dark road and marsha and i

1925
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,560
tried to adopt her children

1926
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,920
and uh

1927
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,920
at first she agreed and then she backed

1928
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,600
out of it

1929
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,880
because we wanted to take the children

1930
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,400
from her she was getting a little bit

1931
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,360
too violent and abusive and uh

1932
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,120
the end of the story is not the whole

1933
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,800
end of the story is not a good it's not

1934
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,159
good for anybody

1935
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,920
uh but

1936
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,280
it was

1937
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,920
whether she was possessed or oppressed

1938
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,440
or whatever she was

1939
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,600
through her life diagnosed with

1940
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,000
schizophrenia

1941
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,199
you know manic depression

1942
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,600
at one time epilepsy

1943
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:59,910
everybody had something that they were

1944
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:02,239
calling her but she was certainly uh

1945
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:03,600
pretty crazy

1946
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,640
in the end she resembled myra

1947
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,199
and i'll just simply say that she

1948
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:12,239
alienated everybody in her life

1949
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,189
and she wound up as an unclaimed body in

1950
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,800
cook county ward

1951
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,320
oh my goodness

1952
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,960
and uh fortunately and all this decline

1953
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,120
happened after she lived in the haunted

1954
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,840
house yes yes her life was never wow

1955
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:31,440
oh my goodness

1956
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,960
her life was never the same and uh

1957
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:37,040
fortunately uh you know they don't bury

1958
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,800
jane dose today cook county illinois

1959
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,800
they do a hell of a job trying to locate

1960
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,120
some relative and they finally located

1961
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,800
her daughter

1962
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,920
and

1963
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:50,560
fortunately my sister was put to rest

1964
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,189
but she got to where she wouldn't talk

1965
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:56,719
to anybody in the family she didn't come

1966
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,110
you know she was basically hearing

1967
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,520
voices she lived a life in a studio

1968
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,840
apartment with the lights and radio on

1969
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:09,840
24 7.

1970
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,270
it was real real bad

1971
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,760
now she she went against what uh what

1972
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,840
happened once

1973
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:23,199
we

1974
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,440
the one that found

1975
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,040
i know we don't have a whole lot of time

1976
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,199
left so i'm gonna kind of yeah i wanted

1977
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,280
to get into that that exorcism now when

1978
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:35,360
you were talking about when the exorcism

1979
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,400
failed

1980
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:38,400
you're not talking about that

1981
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,440
initial

1982
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,840
cleansing or blessing that that priest

1983
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:44,159
gave right you're talking about a second

1984
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:45,120
event

1985
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:45,920
yeah

1986
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,960
and it was historic it was because uh

1987
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,320
in a day when there were only three

1988
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,640
channels in our your nightly news was 30

1989
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,760
minutes

1990
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,239
yes

1991
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,840
they gave us six and a half minutes so

1992
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,920
they're 24 minutes

1993
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:01,760
and they also use it as a segment on

1994
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,960
their nbc program uh first tuesday which

1995
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,880
we couldn't see because it ran new as

1996
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,199
news in chicago so they didn't allow it

1997
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,840
there were some kind of fcc rules

1998
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,880
but

1999
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,280
we had a psychic come in and he decided

2000
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:17,040
he was the true psychic

2001
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,400
he decided it was more than he could

2002
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,760
handle there was something there he

2003
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,280
couldn't handle

2004
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,440
so he could actually call for a catholic

2005
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:24,960
exorcist

2006
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,400
because of protocol he said would take

2007
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,040
him six months to get approval

2008
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,320
so he brought in an anglican exorcist

2009
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,520
and they attempted to cleanse the

2010
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,280
building

2011
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,880
and uh

2012
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,880
carol simpson a premier reporter she

2013
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,640
went on to be uh

2014
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,400
actually the first female and black

2015
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,239
female news anchor

2016
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,239
on the national news out of washington

2017
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,400
she's a wonderful person a wonderful

2018
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:53,040
person she was the premier reporter

2019
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,840
and

2020
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:55,600
because there was a book written about

2021
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,960
this particular psychic

2022
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,560
i guess

2023
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,040
somehow nbc got hold of it

2024
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,640
and they approached us and they said can

2025
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,120
we film what he's going to do there

2026
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,880
and much like paranormal witness i said

2027
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:09,920
no

2028
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,360
glued on television it's a crazy man

2029
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,199
because that's all all we ever got from

2030
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:17,600
anybody was that we're psychologically

2031
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,870
but then he approached me and he said ed

2032
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,800
i've got a book out

2033
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,880
and it would help me

2034
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,120
and he never asked us for a dime and so

2035
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,800
i i said

2036
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,520
i'll do whatever i whatever you like

2037
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,000
so we allowed it to be played and it was

2038
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:38,000
played what happened it was meant for to

2039
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,280
do a spot

2040
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,360
on the nbc news

2041
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,360
and carol simpson called us and she said

2042
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,040
ed she said our

2043
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:48,239
switchboard lit up like a christmas tree

2044
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,600
and she said so it's going to run at 10

2045
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,440
o'clock and then after 10 o'clock she

2046
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,760
called it and she said never stopped

2047
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,120
so we're going to run it tomorrow night

2048
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,719
on the evening news and then late night

2049
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,760
news

2050
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,440
they wound up running it for four days

2051
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:02,239
over the weekend and uh that's unheard

2052
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,040
of

2053
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,800
i was gonna say i don't think i've ever

2054
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,920
seen that

2055
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,080
no it's it's the youtube footage but it

2056
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,960
was not with the flaws no i mean i don't

2057
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:12,880
think i've ever seen them play a story

2058
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,760
like that exactly

2059
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,679
it was absolutely the first paranormal

2060
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:19,360
event ever

2061
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,830
it's a it's something i guard you know

2062
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,440
i've had a

2063
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,880
a number of people

2064
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:31,120
uh we we've talked to a number of movie

2065
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,080
people

2066
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,960
and i guard that fact you know i i it's

2067
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,400
gonna have to be made

2068
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,600
well

2069
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:39,120
if somebody wants the rights to it

2070
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,480
they're gonna have to do a quality thing

2071
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,560
because it is historic

2072
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,239
uh

2073
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:46,159
but yeah the exorcism failed and they

2074
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,360
knew it failed yeah and

2075
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,520
everybody held our hand i mean carol

2076
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,239
simpson stayed in touch with us uh the

2077
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:56,480
psychic joseph d louise who i dedicated

2078
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,600
the book to

2079
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:59,760
was just incredible i mean he

2080
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:02,159
he changed me from being an angry young

2081
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,520
agitator

2082
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,600
i was probably of zach magnus before

2083
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,520
zach was born

2084
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:09,280
because i yelled at him i swore at the

2085
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,840
ghost i i was angry

2086
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,440
and uh

2087
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,080
he taught me to have compassion

2088
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,000
to to understand that these were people

2089
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,320
to have some respect at one time that i

2090
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:22,960
should rely on my faith and pray

2091
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,560
uh to ignore much of the activity if i

2092
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,840
could

2093
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:29,520
not to acknowledge it not to feed them

2094
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:30,560
energy

2095
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:33,520
certainly for marsha and i not to argue

2096
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,840
and create

2097
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:36,960
friction uh so

2098
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,189
but yeah the exorcism failed that kind

2099
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,000
of made the building did anything occur

2100
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:48,239
during the exorcism like what happened

2101
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,280
during the

2102
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,760
cleansing of the house

2103
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,920
was there any activities

2104
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,520
yeah there were there was a number of

2105
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:57,760
things i mean one was very strange

2106
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,640
uh

2107
01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:00,480
during the episode itself joseph went

2108
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:01,840
into a trance he talked in an old

2109
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,760
woman's voice

2110
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,000
he made contact with an old woman that

2111
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,719
upset the exorcist because the exorcist

2112
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,520
philosophy is you do not open your mind

2113
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:13,760
so a psychic and an exorcist they don't

2114
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:14,719
gel

2115
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,600
we found that out

2116
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,760
and it was strange to hear a grown man

2117
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,840
talking the voice of a woman

2118
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,400
but then our blinds rattled

2119
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,840
which kind of freaked everybody out

2120
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,000
because they had sealed the house every

2121
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:30,000
door and window was closed

2122
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:30,800
so

2123
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:34,080
mistake and she says

2124
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,360
augusta wind came through the window and

2125
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:37,199
blue rattled the blinds there was no

2126
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,159
open windows so you know

2127
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,320
i i don't know if she uh

2128
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,320
awarded that later or whatever but she

2129
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,320
was probably wishing it was a gust of

2130
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,400
wind through the window

2131
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,000
yeah we were frightened if you look at

2132
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,040
the footage renee at the one and a half

2133
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,840
minute mark on that youtube footage

2134
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:58,000
go to the first exorcism or true

2135
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,440
haunting on youtube

2136
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,360
at the one and a half minute mark you're

2137
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:03,360
going to look at a dark doorway

2138
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:04,880
and you're going to see something white

2139
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,159
start to come through it and back off

2140
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,400
no one thinks anything of that except

2141
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,560
for the first time i saw it

2142
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,520
because

2143
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,120
i knew that we were all behind the

2144
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,120
camera the man wanted everything

2145
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,960
including the dog and cat

2146
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,719
everybody had to be behind the camera he

2147
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:22,560
wanted a blank shot

2148
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,760
so what you're seeing there is a ghost

2149
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,239
is an entity and and it caused me to uh

2150
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,840
because paranormal witnesses owned by

2151
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,360
nbc

2152
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,760
i made it over church get all the film i

2153
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,440
wanted every all the footage because i

2154
01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:37,440
had shot two days

2155
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,640
and i knew they weren't looking for

2156
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,320
anything

2157
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:42,400
and i wanted to film and only to find

2158
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,920
out that every bit of it was lost

2159
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,840
which was highly unusual and everybody

2160
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,760
said it was unusual

2161
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,280
uh

2162
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:52,960
but every bit of the film was lost so i

2163
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,320
never got to see any more of it

2164
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:59,520
that's strange yeah it failed and joseph

2165
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,080
wound up holding our hands

2166
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:04,080
carol simpson for a long time called and

2167
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,840
was concerned and held our hand and the

2168
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,280
exorcist

2169
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,960
until we were finally able to get out of

2170
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,719
the building and

2171
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,000
how did you

2172
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:15,600
where did you go what what'd you do with

2173
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,719
the building

2174
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:18,320
there's a story that i can't tell

2175
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,679
because we just don't have enough time

2176
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:21,600
how i got out of it but we did wind up

2177
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,719
moving

2178
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:24,639
i still own the building so i attempted

2179
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:26,159
to sell it

2180
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:27,520
it failed

2181
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,360
the salesman failed

2182
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,679
uh he basically eventually approached me

2183
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,360
and said it's impossible i don't know

2184
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,600
why i can't sell this building

2185
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,480
you know i i then told him the gory

2186
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:40,320
truth i figured he was going to laugh at

2187
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,040
me

2188
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,239
and i said it's not it's wanted

2189
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,159
and uh he looked at me and he said

2190
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,880
really his eyes got big and he he got

2191
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,239
excited

2192
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,320
and he was a young man you know maybe

2193
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,560
more my sister's age

2194
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,400
him and his wife thought it was neat and

2195
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,000
he said i don't have the money but i'd

2196
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,320
buy that house in a second

2197
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,440
and i i i was uh ignorant but i said is

2198
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,280
there any facility

2199
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,960
where i can just merely transfer the

2200
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:08,639
mortgage i said you could have my escrow

2201
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,600
account

2202
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:12,080
400 bucks you can have everything in the

2203
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:12,960
house

2204
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,400
all my tools window air conditioners

2205
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,400
just take it off my hands

2206
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,639
well illinois has what's called a quit

2207
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,159
claim deed

2208
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,480
and for ten dollars legal tender

2209
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,239
you can transfer responsibility to a

2210
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,040
building or a piece of real estate

2211
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:31,679
he quickly prepared one the next day

2212
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,360
his secretary was a a notor no no

2213
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,159
i know don't worry and uh

2214
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,920
i signed the paper he never gave me the

2215
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,080
ten bucks and i just tapped his desk and

2216
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,400
said tap no take back

2217
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,040
you know it's yours now uh

2218
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:49,040
and marsha and i never looked back and

2219
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,080
and uh

2220
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,960
we never attempted to tell our story

2221
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:55,199
um

2222
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,639
we wanted no attention so we need to

2223
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,800
listen would you listen our phone number

2224
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,040
we had one sneaky reporter who

2225
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,600
misrepresented he said he was from nbc

2226
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,360
on behalf of carol simpson it turned out

2227
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,360
he was from the national panel

2228
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:08,719
oh jeez

2229
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,440
so marcia fell for it and

2230
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,360
she won the

2231
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,760
he distorted the whole article anyway

2232
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,600
but you know movie people people were

2233
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,000
after us and we just ran

2234
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:22,159
and uh we didn't want anything to do

2235
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,360
with paranormal and i never did

2236
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,840
other than i mean my daughter should my

2237
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,639
daughter's name should be on my book

2238
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:33,040
because i kind of expected

2239
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,560
if the book was written that again i'm

2240
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,480
going to face skepticism ridicule and

2241
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,159
all kinds of crap that i just don't need

2242
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:40,560
at my age

2243
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:43,600
instead what i found was a very warm

2244
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,520
community of people with

2245
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:48,639
you know that are very interested

2246
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,679
and uh accepting

2247
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,000
so i've enjoyed uh having the book out

2248
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:56,080
and yes i'm writing a companion book now

2249
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:57,120
to it

2250
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,400
that'll tell the story of the first

2251
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,000
floor and

2252
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:02,159
give you marsha's perception of of

2253
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,920
everything that took place because

2254
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,920
frankly i was working

2255
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,800
16 18 hours a day so that a lot of stuff

2256
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,320
took place that

2257
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:12,960
i had no knowledge of it and really

2258
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,360
didn't want to know as a man

2259
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,159
that place drove me into despair

2260
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,080
and when i did paranormal witness it was

2261
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,760
actually the first time i ever talked in

2262
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,280
public

2263
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,440
i broke down in tears i stopped camera a

2264
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,280
couple times

2265
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:29,440
because it broke my back my emotional

2266
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,320
back i i was a proud young man i was the

2267
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:34,960
first landowner in my family

2268
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,159
i was to protect my wife and child

2269
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:40,080
and just leaving her there and having to

2270
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:41,840
go to work knowing

2271
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,800
once i got to the point to where i knew

2272
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,960
things weren't right

2273
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:49,840
i carried tremendous guilt

2274
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,159
and still do and

2275
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:54,000
fortunately my wife is very forgiving

2276
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,120
and

2277
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,040
we're on our way to our 49th

2278
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,040
anniversary so

2279
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,880
that's great

2280
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,360
well what happened to the house

2281
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,360
it's still there yeah

2282
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:07,360
and been sold

2283
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,400
can tell

2284
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,320
it last time or last i heard it was

2285
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,080
foreclosed it's been sold many many

2286
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,320
times right

2287
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,800
i'm guessing that about probably

2288
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,560
every time it's sold a year later it's

2289
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,320
up for sale again

2290
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,480
is it occupied still

2291
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:23,679
not that i know

2292
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:24,560
no no

2293
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:30,000
meant i meant is do people live there

2294
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:30,880
now

2295
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,120
according to what i understand and i i

2296
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,520
find this out for my readers

2297
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,600
it's empty and foreclosed

2298
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,199
wow

2299
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,840
i hope no one lives there

2300
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,199
i wonder

2301
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,280
what would happen if if the house was

2302
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,040
torn down and

2303
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,400
and a new structure put there sometimes

2304
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,320
it's still whatever is there still

2305
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,080
remains just their own it would it would

2306
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,719
not change anything yeah

2307
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:01,040
i don't have a clue i don't want a clue

2308
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:04,719
yeah i i don't go to uh ever since then

2309
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,280
i mean i'm not i'm not a fearful man

2310
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,679
but i do respect these energies and

2311
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:11,280
people can be affected by them with

2312
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:12,719
attachments

2313
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,280
uh with other things that can be made to

2314
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,880
have ill health

2315
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:19,040
so i don't seek these things out i do

2316
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,000
not

2317
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,159
i mean i've had invitations for peer

2318
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,400
cons and to speak and to

2319
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,800
do this i know i won't do any of that i

2320
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:29,120
stay away from the paranormal

2321
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:30,120
as far as

2322
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,760
hands-on uh we help people marcia and i

2323
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:35,120
by

2324
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,360
when we can't when it's too much for us

2325
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,400
we turn it over to either paranormal

2326
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,120
everybody out there great site www

2327
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,229
and they you can look up your state and

2328
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:52,400
you can find investigators put you a

2329
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,520
button

2330
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:55,199
if you're dealing with something real

2331
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:56,560
strong

2332
01:28:01,830 --> 01:27:58,840
the order of the exorcists

2333
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:01,840
yes archbishop ron fale

2334
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,480
on my page is a page uh edwinbecker.com

2335
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,159
you can click on spiritual help and

2336
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:10,000
it'll take you to a little experience

2337
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,360
that i had

2338
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,120
and a button that'll take you directly

2339
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:14,639
to their site

2340
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:16,719
and use your cat catholic exorcists and

2341
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:17,440
they

2342
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,560
so uh and you you can also uh get the

2343
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,360
book through your website

2344
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,280
you can go to my website

2345
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:29,760
typically uh i mean i broke all sales

2346
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:31,280
records for uh

2347
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,480
ebooks with my publisher which that that

2348
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,679
actually landed me as being a

2349
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:37,199
best-selling author

2350
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,199
if that means anything to me

2351
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,320
titles are for cars you know so

2352
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:44,560
it's a nice thing to know that i sold i

2353
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,400
sold lots of units

2354
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,320
but amazon is probably the most popular

2355
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,480
site that people go to

2356
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,880
and barnes and noble secondary and then

2357
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,480
there are some

2358
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:56,080
brick and mortar stores are starting to

2359
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,520
disappear but there are a few that

2360
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,760
handle the book

2361
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,560
right but amazon.com you know you get it

2362
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,560
in a couple days anyway

2363
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:05,920
and uh

2364
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,960
the e-book i priced it very affordably

2365
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,639
because i'm i was more interested in

2366
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,239
readers than i am

2367
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,960
at 69 years old i don't need a new car i

2368
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,560
don't need a diamond ring i don't need

2369
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,920
anything

2370
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,679
so yeah everybody

2371
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:21,920
everybody uh go and get the book through

2372
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,560
haunting it's it's an amazing story and

2373
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,880
it looks like we're all out of time

2374
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,040
and i want to thank you both

2375
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,960
ed and marsha becker for joining me

2376
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,040
tonight and sharing your personal story

2377
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,360
it's just it's just amazing

2378
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:37,040
and thank you also for helping other

2379
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:38,320
people that are going through the same

2380
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,120
thing